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Bongard Problems
03-13-2014, 04:50 AM
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Bongard Problems
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Long story short, you have to figure out what the left side items have in common that the right side items lack.

I was thinking it might be fun to pose Bongard problems to each other, but to make things easier, it might be better to do textual ones, like this:

Group A:

try
sum
not
let
nil
won


Group B:

house
monkey
nachos
trim
blonde
Mag!cGuy

Now, surely the solution is that Group A contains words with exactly three letters, while Group B contains words with a number of letters that is not three. That is an easy example.



Here's one to start with:

Group A:

Italy
Yemen
Germany
Egypt
Cyprus
Malaysia


Group B:

Georgia
France
Wales
Mexico
Honduras
Canada


Anyone want to solve this and create another one?

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03-13-2014, 05:04 AM
Post: #2
RE: Bongard Problems
Countries with and without the letter y?

Also, for your example problem, I thought it was something about Outwitters skill, where group A might have some while B surely doesn't...


I'll pose one:

Group A

Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit
Chrono Trigger
Balloon Fight
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
Diddy Kong Racing
Banjo Tooie



Group B

The Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Pokemon Blue
Super Smash Bros. Brawl

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03-13-2014, 05:24 AM (This post was last modified: 03-13-2014 05:37 AM by TheGreatErenan.)
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RE: Bongard Problems
Yes to the with and without the letter y answer. That is right.

No to the Outwitters skill answer. Clearly all monkeys have some significant measure of Outwitters skill.



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03-13-2014, 05:37 AM
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RE: Bongard Problems
(03-13-2014 05:04 AM)amoffett11 Wrote:  Also, for your example problem, I thought it was something about Outwitters skill, where group A might have some while B surely doesn't...


Thank you! Big Grin


As for yours,isn't it like the first group:random games and the second: nintendo's?

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03-13-2014, 05:37 AM (This post was last modified: 03-13-2014 05:38 AM by TheGreatErenan.)
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RE: Bongard Problems
The answer to amoffett's is:

Group A members have two of the same letter appearing consecutively (double O, double E, double L, etc.).

Group B members do not have this property.



Group A:

banana
color
belvedere
hindsight
humbug
pascal

Group B:

tricycle
balrog
minus
random
wellington
kangaroo



Here's another that is probably very tricky (maybe too tricky, but I wanted to make one that was quite hard):

Group A:

AAVAO
AAAO
VAVAX
AVAVAO
VVVAX
VAAVAVX


Group B:

VAAAX
VVAAO
VO
AVAX
AAAVVVO
AAVAAAVX

(03-13-2014 05:37 AM)Mag!cGuy Wrote:  As for yours,isn't it like the first group:random games and the second: nintendo's?

Sonic 2 is a Sega Genesis game. Tongue

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03-13-2014, 05:43 AM
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RE: Bongard Problems
Great Erenan is correct. I tried to throw some other patterns in there (sequels, etc.) to possibly throw people off.

I've solved your first one Erenan (I'll give other's some time to figure it out if they want to though), but the second not yet.

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03-13-2014, 05:45 AM (This post was last modified: 03-13-2014 05:46 AM by TheGreatErenan.)
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(03-13-2014 05:43 AM)amoffett11 Wrote:  Great Erenan is correct. I tried to throw some other patterns in there (sequels, etc.) to possibly throw people off.

That did throw me off for a while. Smile In fact, even just the fact that they are all video games is a red herring.

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03-13-2014, 05:46 AM
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I found for the first one too! *so proud*

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03-13-2014, 06:09 AM
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RE: Bongard Problems
Erenan's first one is repeated vowels. I don't have the second one yet.

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03-13-2014, 06:51 AM
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RE: Bongard Problems
Can you have more than one parameter?

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