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Bongard Problems - TheGreatErenan - 03-13-2014 04:50 AM
Info on Bongard Problems
Long story short, you have to figure out what the left side items have in common that the right side items lack.
I was thinking it might be fun to pose Bongard problems to each other, but to make things easier, it might be better to do textual ones, like this:
Group A:
try
sum
not
let
nil
won
Group B:
house
monkey
nachos
trim
blonde
Mag!cGuy
Now, surely the solution is that Group A contains words with exactly three letters, while Group B contains words with a number of letters that is not three. That is an easy example.
Here's one to start with:
Group A:
Italy
Yemen
Germany
Egypt
Cyprus
Malaysia
Group B:
Georgia
France
Wales
Mexico
Honduras
Canada
Anyone want to solve this and create another one?
RE: Bongard Problems - amoffett11 - 03-13-2014 05:04 AM
Countries with and without the letter y?
Also, for your example problem, I thought it was something about Outwitters skill, where group A might have some while B surely doesn't...
I'll pose one:
Group A
Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit
Chrono Trigger
Balloon Fight
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
Diddy Kong Racing
Banjo Tooie
Group B
The Legend of Zelda: Majoras Mask
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Pokemon Blue
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
RE: Bongard Problems - TheGreatErenan - 03-13-2014 05:24 AM
Yes to the with and without the letter y answer. That is right.
No to the Outwitters skill answer. Clearly all monkeys have some significant measure of Outwitters skill.
RE: Bongard Problems - Mag!cGuy - 03-13-2014 05:37 AM
(03-13-2014 05:04 AM)amoffett11 Wrote: Also, for your example problem, I thought it was something about Outwitters skill, where group A might have some while B surely doesn't...
Thank you!
As for yours,isn't it like the first group:random games and the second: nintendo's?
RE: Bongard Problems - TheGreatErenan - 03-13-2014 05:37 AM
The answer to amoffett's is:
Group A members have two of the same letter appearing consecutively (double O, double E, double L, etc.).
Group B members do not have this property.
Group A:
banana
color
belvedere
hindsight
humbug
pascal
Group B:
tricycle
balrog
minus
random
wellington
kangaroo
Here's another that is probably very tricky (maybe too tricky, but I wanted to make one that was quite hard):
Group A:
AAVAO
AAAO
VAVAX
AVAVAO
VVVAX
VAAVAVX
Group B:
VAAAX
VVAAO
VO
AVAX
AAAVVVO
AAVAAAVX
(03-13-2014 05:37 AM)Mag!cGuy Wrote: As for yours,isn't it like the first group:random games and the second: nintendo's?
Sonic 2 is a Sega Genesis game.
RE: Bongard Problems - amoffett11 - 03-13-2014 05:43 AM
Great Erenan is correct. I tried to throw some other patterns in there (sequels, etc.) to possibly throw people off.
I've solved your first one Erenan (I'll give other's some time to figure it out if they want to though), but the second not yet.
RE: Bongard Problems - TheGreatErenan - 03-13-2014 05:45 AM
(03-13-2014 05:43 AM)amoffett11 Wrote: Great Erenan is correct. I tried to throw some other patterns in there (sequels, etc.) to possibly throw people off.
That did throw me off for a while.
In fact, even just the fact that they are all video games is a red herring.
RE: Bongard Problems - Mag!cGuy - 03-13-2014 05:46 AM
I found for the first one too! *so proud*
RE: Bongard Problems - Demon - 03-13-2014 06:09 AM
Erenan's first one is repeated vowels. I don't have the second one yet.
RE: Bongard Problems - [PETA] Doodat - 03-13-2014 06:51 AM
Can you have more than one parameter?