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Scrambling to the Top - Alvendor - 05-19-2013 03:04 AM
Feel like mixing things up a bit and will try an experiment with Feedback. With an alt account I will only play Feedback and see how viable they are at the higher ranks. I'll post every game in this thread and any thoughts I have around it.
The common view is that adorables is much better than feedback at higher levels. I tend to agree, but it will be interesting to see how big that difference is and on what maps etc. Hopefully we can get some interesting Feedback discussions going!
*UPDATE*
On this first post I keep a list of replay highlights. Not only from me but from others as well all including scramble action. I'll try to keep them interesting so won't include games of the typical: "Scrambler in the back line crushes opponents attack and win the game" as those should be familiar to everyone. I rather have failed scrambler plays than ordinary winning ones.
Sweet Tooth
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Ym-fBAww - 11 turns
Risky scrambler counting on his wit count and positioning to fail to spot it.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YuZveAww - 13 turns
Risky play resulting in a quick win. Not sure what would have happened had he killed my scrambler.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YmeXEAww - 25 turns
Not sure what to say other than - massive scrambler chain reactions!
Thorn Gulley
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y9-DXAww - 36 turns
Try a scrambler attack through the middle to scramble his heavy, fails due to a miscalculation. Win later by pushing through opponents wit side.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YwNjWAww - 26 turns
Scrambler attack on opponents wit side. Think this is close to standard strategy for feedback vs scallywags on this map.
Peekaboo
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Yp8XaAww - 17 turns
Saved wits to be able to scramble opponents early scramble
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y8JLYAww - 15 turns
Standard attack vs scallywags. I include this because it is so standard, by counting wits I can be almost 100% sure where the bombshell is.
Reaper
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YiNLaAww - 14 turns
Risky scrambler, at the next turn realize I can't use it and have to postpone attack.
Shark Food
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YrpblAww
A very risky early scrambler attacking spawn. I don't like the play as the risk/reward is so poor. Maybe something to play 10% of the time to keep opponent on their toes?
RE: Scrambling to the Top - Wildt4lon - 05-19-2013 03:08 AM
I feel I'll become a frequent poster in this thread.
Now everyone's going to have to watch out for a player suddenly skyrocketing through the top 200 with feedback only
It's a really good team, but like all teams the outcome depends on situations.
RE: Scrambling to the Top - Alvendor - 05-19-2013 03:13 AM
1. failed to save the replay. Only slightly interesting thing was I forgot to take the wit space, not the first time it happened either. I'm such a noob
2. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YranGAww
3. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y2OLJAww
I really like early sniper on glitch. But it is probably a bad idea against another feedback. It is way too easy for them to scramble a soldier and kill any snipers.
4. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YmrzJAww
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Glitch again and not vs feedback so I go for an early sniper again on turn 2. On turn 4 I realize he can possibly kill my sniper with a soldier. I don't make a new unit just so I can make a scrambler on turn 6 if needed. Not making a unit on the second turn is not good. I need to find another opening!
I get placed into gifted, yay!
6. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YxpXCAww
Promoted to master. Seems like they have sped up the ranking mechanics quite a lot!
7. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YuODBAww
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Oops First loss came earlier than expected! But I'm not surprised it was on this map. Barely played it and only know I need concentrate units toward the top.
So the medic goes to top spawn but I shouldn't place it next to the base as it will block any snipers. Also bad opening move by me, next time I'll move soldier to wit space and move heavy above wit space. Then I can boost both heavy and soldier in two turns.
Btw opponent had close to 1000 league games played!
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Changing to regular text as opponent's name is not liked by the replay system!
13. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YmrPFAww
Longest game so far. Almost lost it, quite devastating for me to not have enough wits to kill medic on turn 14. Opponent gives me the game by attacking the base on turn 24 without being able to finish.
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And the mind games begin! See separate post below
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Get a perfect engage. This is why you don't go early mobi on shark food
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Second loss! I was on autopilot on the first turn and missed his opening. Should have boosted my second runner but not sure it would have saved the game.
24. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y1dnRAww
131th of top 200
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Another risky play resulting in a quick win. Not sure what would have happened had he killed my scrambler.
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My third loss. Think my main mistake was to not keep the heavy to defend the back door.
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Rank 76th
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Tried a quick scrambler rush on reaper. Won't do it again!
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45. Might have lost one replay because I'm lazy. Won it though
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RE: Scrambling to the Top - Mag!cGuy - 05-19-2013 03:31 AM
Problem is that you're top 1 alvendor, and it's surely not only due to mobi awesomness. All that map knowledge and decision making you acquired will still be here with feedback and it´s certain you won't be defeated before a while
RE: Scrambling to the Top - Alvendor - 05-19-2013 03:32 AM
4. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YmrzJAww
5. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y7ZbAAww
Glitch again and not vs feedback so I go for an early sniper again on turn 2. On turn 4 I realize he can possibly kill my sniper with a soldier. I don't make a new unit just so I can make a scrambler on turn 6 if needed. Not making a unit on the second turn is not good. I need to find another opening!
I get placed into gifted, yay!
(05-19-2013 03:31 AM)Mag!cGuy Wrote: Problem is that you're top 1 alvendor, and it's surely not only due to mobi awesomness. All that map knowledge and decision making you acquired will still be here with feedback and it´s certain you won't be defeated before a while
Well I will do pretty good but I'm pretty sure I will run into trouble. I just don't know when and how that trouble will come!
Facing a good adorables on reaper is not something I'm looking forward to
6. outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YxpXCAww
Promoted to master. Seems like they have sped up the ranking mechanics quite a lot!
RE: Scrambling to the Top - Wildt4lon - 05-19-2013 03:53 AM
It would be funny if your second account was ranked #2 in a couple of months. Then you'd just be playing yourself and poweewee.
RE: Scrambling to the Top - Alvendor - 05-19-2013 04:08 AM
Haha I doubt that will happen. It will be interesting when I run into bombshell turtlers. Haven't played against that in probably nine months!
Wt* do I have a 5 game limit on alt accounts?
RE: Scrambling to the Top - Mag!cGuy - 05-19-2013 04:23 AM
Press "restore purchase" and it should be fine
RE: Scrambling to the Top - Alvendor - 05-19-2013 04:29 AM
Ah thx
RE: Scrambling to the Top - (Rone) - 05-19-2013 09:19 AM
Their are plenty of players in the top 50 that win games with feedback vs Adorables 1v1 so why is their any doubt that feedback can not be compared with Adorables in the top games?
I mean I'm not the expert on the subject, speaking strictly from viewing ST 1v1 replays. I'm just curious, apparently not as much as you are, to know the why Adorables can not be competed with by feedback. Sure, as you have showed in your games the starting out strategy is slightly different, and which units you'll depend on the most.
I believe that isn't the belief in 2v2 teams.