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Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - daHsu - 02-10-2013 09:21 AM

Here's my suggestion list for balancing the teams. Most of the specials are essentially buffed, although it's debatable.

Scallywags (more attack based than turtle based)
-Bombing range nerfed from 3 hexes to 2 hexes, but vision range is still 3
-Shelling/Unshelling has no cost
-Can attack the same turn it is shelled, but after attacking cannot be unshelled (although you can unshell->shell->attack)
-Shelling only boosts hp by 1

Adorables (no change)
-The Mobi is strong as is, but any nerf to health, movement, or teleporting would render it much weaker than before.

Feedback (weaker, more tactical usage)
- Hp cannot be over 1
- Vision range of 5 hexes (NOTE: vision is different from movement)
- Can 'fly' over empty hexes

Bramble (generally stronger)
- spawns thorns in a range of 3, with 4 hp
- thorns spawn more thorns in a range of 2, with 2 hp
- no wits recieved for killing thorns
- when bramble is unrooted, all thorns it spawned are dropped to 1 hp

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - connor34911 - 02-10-2013 09:44 AM

I actually like those changes..but are you saying 5 movement on scrambler? Thats a little too far.

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - TheQwertiest - 02-10-2013 09:47 AM

i think 4 movement for scrambler is good enough.

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - game_taker - 02-10-2013 09:50 AM

(02-10-2013 09:21 AM)daHsu Wrote:  Scallywags (more attack based than turtle based)
-Bombing range nerfed from 3 hexes to 2 hexes, but vision range is still 3
-Shelling/Unshelling has no cost
-Can attack the same turn it is shelled, but after attacking cannot be unshelled (although you can unshell->shell->attack)
-Shelling only boosts hp by 1
Destroys the elegance of being able to attack where you see.

(02-10-2013 09:21 AM)daHsu Wrote:  Adorables (no change)
-The Mobi is strong as is, but any nerf to health, movement, or teleporting would render it much weaker than before.
So make bombshell easier to kill so mobi can kill him more easily? Mobi has an easy enough time vs him, changing bombshell like that without changing mobi is absurd.

(02-10-2013 09:21 AM)daHsu Wrote:  Feedback (weaker, more tactical usage)
- Hp cannot be over 1
- Vision range of 5 hexes
- Can 'fly' over empty hexes
"fly...?" To random, destroys elegance. If you want the scrambler to move as much a runner...your crazy. If you just want to allow scrambler to see far, without being able to move that far you destroying more elegance, and your crazy for letting runner 1 hit him. Also doesn't really add to any tactic for scrambler.

(02-10-2013 09:21 AM)daHsu Wrote:  Bramble (generally stronger)
- spawns thorns in a range of 3, with 4 hp
- thorns spawn more thorns in a range of 2, with 2 hp
- no wits recieved for killing thorns
- when bramble is unrooted, all thorns it spawned are dropped to 1 hp
Bramble is already strong w/ the new update. Now your just making him op.

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - Ryzuma - 02-10-2013 09:59 AM

Bramble isn't stronger with the update. Just saying

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - Alvendor - 02-10-2013 10:04 AM

(02-10-2013 09:59 AM)Ryzuma Wrote:  Bramble isn't stronger with the update. Just saying

Agreed

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - TheGoldenGriffin - 02-10-2013 10:43 AM

If unrooting Bramble doesn't unroot the thorn patches (which is connected to him) how will you get your own thorn patches out of the way?

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - Necrocat219 - 02-10-2013 11:03 AM

Hmm. I believe that theres one change that can be added that will bring the Bramble up to the same level as at least Feedback and Scallys:

-Don't change any stats or +1 wit per kill
-Add 'prickle': enemies adjacent to thorns take 1 damage for 1 wit. that thorn can't make a new one this turn.

This makes the bramble a bit more flexible in it's purpose, gives it a damage component that it lacks so much compared to other specials and can be used to tackle it's biggest weakness: snipers! It also somewhat tackes the problem of barriers helping your opponent and is more rewarding for relatively conservative use of the bramble, thoughts?

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - GoHeat 3 - 02-10-2013 11:06 AM

(02-10-2013 11:03 AM)Necrocat219 Wrote:  Hmm. I believe that theres one change that can be added that will bring the Bramble up to the same level as at least Feedback and Scallys:

-Don't change any stats or +1 wit per kill
-Add 'prickle': enemies adjacent to thorns take 1 damage for 1 wit. that thorn can't make a new one this turn.

This makes the bramble a bit more flexible in it's purpose, gives it a damage component that it lacks so much compared to other specials and can be used to tackle it's biggest weakness: snipers! It also somewhat tackes the problem of barriers helping your opponent and is more rewarding for relatively conservative use of the bramble, thoughts?

I like it! So your saying like if there was a sniper 2 spaces away from a thorn you could spend 2 wits to put 2 thorns next to it and then spend 2 wits to kill it?

RE: Rebalancing-- DaHsu's mods - Necrocat219 - 02-10-2013 11:16 AM

Well I was actually suggesting that you have to choose between growing a thorn OR attacking with one - which would mean each 'thorn chain' would only be able to attack once. It would just make sense. However with good co-ordination with runners and 'layering' thorns I think it could be a viable update! Smile Might need a new animation added though like a 'shivering' thorn.