Mindful Massacre Tournament - All Complete - Congrats to GendryStorm!

GendryStorm · (This post was last modified: 02-16-2014 06:33 AM by GendryStorm.)

tournament director, i got my mind scrambled. Lawtai and i agreed to draw our (repeat!) game because i moved a scrambled heavy. I dunno what kind of precedent it would establish though. :|

Okay so here is my game with lawtai

outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICA9M-wjAgM

(02-16-2014 06:16 AM)lawtai Wrote: We should just simplify all the rules and say non runners and scramblers can't be used at all. And the medic can be used but can be killed.

But the four rules achieve an interesting and complex gameplay. i think it should stay. However, since we are bound to make mistakes and unintentionally violate the rules (kill a god/medic or move a scrambled non-runner), maybe our TD could just impose penalties on the violator. Confused

Chemoeum · (This post was last modified: 02-16-2014 06:55 AM by Chemoeum.)

(02-16-2014 05:56 AM)GendryStorm Wrote: Rule 1. Spawn only runners and scramblers, except
1.1 on maps where there is no pre-deployed medic, a medic can be spawned once.
Rule 2. Pre-deployed units can attack but they are immobilized. They can only move if
2.1 it is a pre-deployed runner.
2.2 it is a medic.
2.3 it is the only unit which can reach a bonus wit space on first/second turn.
2.4 it is needed to uncover a hogged spawn hex.
Rule 3. Players win or lose by spawn-hog.
Rule 4. The medic cannot be killed, but it can be scrambled.

These are the rules as I understood it, but there are still some issues to be addressed, like 2.3. As raised on an earlier post by Juslas, can a pre-deployed unit attack units on its path to uncover a hogged spawn hex?

Yep. It can attack on its way, as long as the enemy is in range of its attack.

(02-16-2014 06:12 AM)GendryStorm Wrote:
(02-16-2014 06:06 AM)lawtai Wrote: Can a scrambled non runner move? I was assuming no...

Oh my gosh i moved the scrambled heavy

Unless you were trying to clear one of your spawns.

(02-16-2014 06:23 AM)GendryStorm Wrote: tournament director, i got my mind scrambled. Lawtai and i agreed to draw our (repeat!) game because i moved a scrambled heavy. I dunno what kind of precedent it would establish though. :|

Okay so here is my game with lawtai

outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICA9M-wjAgM

(02-16-2014 06:16 AM)lawtai Wrote: We should just simplify all the rules and say non runners and scramblers can't be used at all. And the medic can be used but can be killed.

But the four rules achieve an interesting and complex gameplay. i think it should stay. However, since we are bound to make mistakes and unintentionally violate the rules (kill a god/medic or move a scrambled non-runner), maybe our TD could just impose penalties on the violator.

I agree. I'll take account of some o' these rules for a second tourney and let someone else lead it because I am having difficulty leading this one.

Flarp55 · 02-17-2014, 03:37 AM

(02-16-2014 06:23 AM)GendryStorm Wrote: tournament director, i got my mind scrambled. Lawtai and i agreed to draw our (repeat!) game because i moved a scrambled heavy. I dunno what kind of precedent it would establish though. :|

Okay so here is my game with lawtai

outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICA9M-wjAgM

(02-16-2014 06:16 AM)lawtai Wrote: We should just simplify all the rules and say non runners and scramblers can't be used at all. And the medic can be used but can be killed.

I like the "medic shield" to protect your scrambler. Very creative.
But the four rules achieve an interesting and complex gameplay. i think it should stay. However, since we are bound to make mistakes and unintentionally violate the rules (kill a god/medic or move a scrambled non-runner), maybe our TD could just impose penalties on the violator.

lawtai · 02-17-2014, 06:09 AM

(02-16-2014 06:09 AM)GendryStorm Wrote:
(02-16-2014 03:40 AM)Chemoeum Wrote: He won't be able to move the non-runner/Scrambler unit after scrambling it, unless he is planning to use it in a way to free his spawn point.

Oh sorry so this is the answer to 2.3

So still somewhat confused. If a spawn's covered, is a person able to then use a non-runner/scrambler on the other side of the map and start walking him over to try and uncover his spawn?

Juslas · (This post was last modified: 02-17-2014 06:16 AM by Juslas.)

2.4 needed to uncover ???
If spawn is covered and player has runners or scramblers they can reach spawn faster than heavy, since heavy moves only 2 hex a time. But since hex is hogged- summoned units can move?
I believe that this conclusion is correct:
2.4 all units can move and attack if spawn is hogged.
If we put it like this, it is understandably to me at least. Do you agree?

lawtai · 02-17-2014, 07:33 AM

outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICAjMCSpwoM

lawtai · 02-17-2014, 12:28 PM

Looks like I overlooked a post you made about how scrambled medics aren't supposed to spawn block... Which is what i did in my game against awpertunity. You should update your first post with that info.

awpertunity · 02-17-2014, 01:00 PM

outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICA9K3h9wsM
gg!

still waiting on all my
invites

AttackBomb · 02-17-2014, 02:36 PM

(02-17-2014 01:00 PM)awpertunity Wrote: outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICA9K3h9wsM
gg!

still waiting on all my
invites

Don't worry, you'll get yours

GendryStorm · (This post was last modified: 02-18-2014 11:25 AM by GendryStorm.)

outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICAjKHS4goM

(02-16-2014 06:37 AM)Chemoeum Wrote: I agree. I'll take account of some o' these rules for a second tourney and let someone else lead it because I am having difficulty leading this one.

You're doing fine chemoeum, we're just finnicky with the rules. Big Grin

(02-17-2014 06:15 AM)Juslas Wrote: 2.4 needed to uncover ???
If spawn is covered and player has runners or scramblers they can reach spawn faster than heavy, since heavy moves only 2 hex a time. But since hex is hogged- summoned units can move?
I believe that this conclusion is correct:
2.4 all units can move and attack if spawn is hogged.
If we put it like this, it is understandably to me at least. Do you agree?

All pre-deployed units can be mobilized and attack enemy units when a spawn hex is hogged? Hmmm i think so too, but let's have our TD decide.

(02-17-2014 12:28 PM)lawtai Wrote: Looks like I overlooked a post you made about how scrambled medics aren't supposed to spawn block... Which is what i did in my game against awpertunity. You should update your first post with that info.

Is this rule final, i havent seen an update on the first page?