Outwitters WORLD CUP Winner - Alvendor (SWEDEN)

CombatEX · (This post was last modified: 09-03-2012 03:23 PM by CombatEX.)

Did you decide how you plan to do seeding?

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Here is P/W adjusted seeding. Took me longer than I thought but hopefully it will be of some use.

P/W Adjusted Seeding
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6100/owcf...justed.png

Note: The un-adjusted seeding is based solely on points, but I know this isn't quite right because you put some lower point players above higher ones if they had a lot fewer wins (like player 8 and 18 were above 23 and 30 but I didn't show this in my spreadsheet).

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Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).

Groups
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9238/owcgroups.png

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Anyway, thanks for organizing this tournament, looks like it will be a lot of fun =)

If you guys can save replays like in the other community tournament that would be nice!

jaesonwu · (This post was last modified: 09-03-2012 03:43 PM by jaesonwu.)

For those interested this is the country distribution based on combat's post

Group A

USA
FRA
AUS
CAN

Group B

GER
AUT
USA
CAN

Group C

SWE
POR
USA
SIN

Group D

USA
AUS
USA
USA

Group E

CAN
GBR
GBR
SOT

Group F

JPN
FRA
FRA
USA

Group G

USA
USA
NZL
GBR

Group H

USA
HKG
CAN
USA

I'm pleasantly surprised by the diversity =) I didn't realize Outwitters was played by so many people from so many places!

Also, I like the idea of making the first map Peakaboo instead of Foundry since this way it will alternate small and big maps each round for more variety.

Judment · 09-03-2012, 05:08 PM

That makes sense, also I would recommend waiting until the patch release comes out, because it could cause some problems eg with foundry changing

Ravernoth · 09-03-2012, 06:12 PM

(09-03-2012 02:56 PM)CombatEX Wrote: Did you decide how you plan to do seeding?

____________________________________________________

Here is P/W adjusted seeding. Took me longer than I thought but hopefully it will be of some use.

P/W Adjusted Seeding
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6100/owcf...justed.png

Note: The un-adjusted seeding is based solely on points, but I know this isn't quite right because you put some lower point players above higher ones if they had a lot fewer wins (like player 8 and 18 were above 23 and 30 but I didn't show this in my spreadsheet).

____________________________________________________

Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).

Groups
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9238/owcgroups.png

____________________________________________________

Anyway, thanks for organizing this tournament, looks like it will be a lot of fun =)

If you guys can save replays like in the other community tournament that would be nice!

That looks cool, thanks for doing that Combat!

Magnum · 09-03-2012, 06:57 PM

I'm in the same group as awpertunity ~

Necrocat219 · (06-09-2014 02:14 PM)

Just a quick mention to say I've been promoted to Masters since I signed up to avoid confusion, sorry I've been playing so many games recently XP

Points: 1175 W: 124

Ravernoth · (This post was last modified: 09-04-2012 12:21 AM by Ravernoth.)

(09-03-2012 02:56 PM)CombatEX Wrote: Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).
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Actually, this is a bit off - this guarantees that higher seeds are placed together:

1 > 2
9 > 10
17 > 18
25 > 26

Shouldnt seeds be placed in 'pots' and randomly drawn into each group like in the World Cup?
i.e.

Pot 1: 1-8
Pot 2: 9-16
Pot 3: 17-24
Pot 4: 25-32

And an ideal setup may be to have Pot 1 not random - the seeds placed in the groups to have the expected seeded matchups in the round of 8, i.e:

Left bracket:
A - 1st seed
C - 8th seed

E - 4th seed
G - 5th seed

Right bracket:
B - 2nd seed
D - 7th seed

F - 3rd seed
H - 6th seed

CombatEX · (This post was last modified: 09-04-2012 04:18 AM by CombatEX.)

(09-03-2012 08:46 PM)Ravernoth Wrote:
(09-03-2012 02:56 PM)CombatEX Wrote: Also here are the groups using the adjusted seeding. I arranged the groups the way you suggested (1-9-17-25, 2-10-18-26, 3-11-19-27, etc).

Actually, this is a bit off - this guarantees that higher seeds are placed together:

1 > 2
9 > 10
17 > 18
25 > 26

Shouldnt seeds be placed in 'pots' and randomly drawn into each group like in the World Cup?
i.e.

Pot 1: 1-8
Pot 2: 9-16
Pot 3: 17-24
Pot 4: 25-32

And an ideal setup may be to have Pot 1 not random - the seeds placed in the groups to have the expected seeded matchups in the round of 8, i.e:

Left bracket:
A - 1st seed
C - 8th seed

E - 4th seed
G - 5th seed

Right bracket:
B - 2nd seed
D - 7th seed

F - 3rd seed
H - 6th seed

You have a good point there. Ultimately awpertunity is the one in charge of this tournament so I defaulted to what he mentioned in an earlier post. I'll do a random draw now though with top 8 seeds arranged as you suggested though to see how it would turn out. Of course none of this matters unless awpertunity agrees =)

Adjustments
- Distributed top 8 seeds into respective groups as suggested by Ravernoth
- Randomly assigned each group with a player from 9-16, 17-24, and 25-32 (I used random.org)

Revised Groups
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4461/...groups.png

The country tags correspond to the respective positions of the players in the groups.

Here is a rough estimate of group strengths (Strongest -> Weakest)

Group H (+6)
Group B (+5)
Group E (+3)
Group F (+1)
Group C (+0)
Group A (-1)
Group G (-3)
Group D (-11)

Note: In reality there are probably many players who are underestimated by their leagues (80%+ w/l without promotion) not to mention points/win has flaws as a means of estimating skill. In other words, don't take this too seriously.

GreatGonzales · 09-04-2012, 05:43 AM

I hope there will be a nice single post with all the rules and guidelines spelled out for people who have not been following this thread very closely! (like me)

aaronINdayton · 09-04-2012, 10:08 PM

(09-04-2012 05:43 AM)GreatGonzales Wrote: I hope there will be a nice single post with all the rules and guidelines spelled out for people who have not been following this thread very closely! (like me)

+1