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Game balancing
01-06-2013, 12:01 AM
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Game balancing
I know this subject is already being discussed extensively but I feel quite strongly about it and hence created a new topic for my suggestions.

Current state of the game (according to me):
* In mid to high level play bombshell dominates.
* At the very top several players think mobi is better.
* Scrambler and bramble are much worse than both bombshell and mobi.
* Scrambler and bramble is a fairly equal matchup at high level but scrambler is better in low/mid as it requires less planning.

Suggestions:
Bombshell - reduce max health to 3.
The problem with the bombshell is that it is close to impossible to kill it and come out ahead in wits. With the change a feedback player would need a scrambler in range of a soldier close to the bombshell and a runner to take it out, both would have a chance to come out ahead in that exchange.

Mobi - don't allow moved units to be teleported.
After the wit for kill update mobi hit and run moves are very strong. On a 1 spawn map you can take opponent's runner with your runner and then teleport it back making it wit neutral but taking the unit lead for free. Mobis also have the advantage that with two mobis a new type of moves become possible: move mobi, teleport sniper, kill something, teleport back mobi. So snipers can be put to take out other specials without risking your own special. This nerf would fix this. Killing a bombshell with a sniper will force the the mobi to be in danger.

Scrambler - no need for modification.

Brambler - It can root/unroot in the same turn for free.
This small buff will open up a new set of plays, think "Ninja Brambler" jumping around every turn spawning a thorn or two where it's needed. This together with nerfing bombshell and mobi should give veggies a chance against any race.
Another option has been suggested of allowing thorns to be able to unroot themselves. But there are two drawbacks with that:
1. You loose a lot of complexity. A large part of a skillful bramble player is to think where thorns are useful several turns ahead. If you can remove any thorn, you can mass thorns blindly and don't really need to plan much.
2. It will not keep things balanced against a scrambler. One reason scrambler and brambler are pretty equal is that if the feedback player scramble a thorn thats a thorn he can never remove.

Notice that these changes need to go together to make sense. You can't nerf bombshell without nerfing mobi. Brambler can be buffed in isolation but would not be enough to fix things in my opinion. Thoughts?

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Game balancing - Alvendor - 01-06-2013 12:01 AM
RE: Game balancing - Mag!cGuy - 01-06-2013, 12:16 AM
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