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Kamikaze28 · 07-17-2012, 06:45 AM

(07-17-2012 06:29 AM)mkaen Wrote:
(07-17-2012 05:59 AM)Kamikaze28 Wrote:
(07-17-2012 05:53 AM)mkaen Wrote: If you're in Titan, winning >90% of your games, don't you belong in Titan as it's your best hope of finding challenging opponents to bring your record closer to 50%?
With the second half of your statement, you seem to understand, that people were in Super-Titan who did not have the skill/experience to actually play on that level - therefore the first half of your sentence loses its relevance.

Right, and those people will lose against the people who *do* have >90% win rates, and will subsequently be matched against lower-rated players, and will be demoted if they continue losing. If they are there and they haven't lost, it does not follow that they should be demoted or double-demoted because there were some Gifted-level players who crept into Titan early on. So the first half of my sentence has lost none of its relevance, unless you're suggesting that people in Titan are only matching against in-Titan-but-actually-playing-at-Gifted-level players.

Alex said in the original post of this thread, that the ranking/placement system was too eager to put people in Master/Super-Titan League. That was unintended behavior. What OML now did (from my understanding) is fix the underlying problem which resulted in the demotion of many people from STL or ML.
Implementing your approach would have been an exception to the corrected system. Lots of work.

(07-17-2012 06:29 AM)mkaen Wrote:
(07-17-2012 05:59 AM)Kamikaze28 Wrote: If you were placed in Super-Titan and won 90% of the time against other Super-Titan players (who were actually playing on a Gifted/Master level) that does not justify or support your own position in Super-Titan League. The best inference you can take from this history is that you are probably better than Gifted League.

Well, by this logic, no one currently deserves to be in Titan; a winning record in that league is meaningless.

Not necessarily - there were people in Super-Titan with the required skill rating (and confidence rating) to *only* be demoted to Master League and had to win their way back to Super-Titan League. No winning record is meaningless, it's just a question of what the system makes of it.

(07-17-2012 06:29 AM)mkaen Wrote:
(07-17-2012 05:59 AM)Kamikaze28 Wrote: You should worry less about what league you are in and more about the level of the opponents you get matched with. At the end of the day, that's what that whole shebang is all about: getting matched with challenging opponents.

I'm personally not worried about what league I'm in. Let me just make that clear. What is concerning is that people in ST have been demoted, skipping an entire league, after having zero losses in ST.

Are you suggesting that this is the correct way to match them with opponents of similar skill? They're winning in ST, but we better drop them to Gifted so they can find the best-matched opponents there? You must agree, this doesn't support the cause of "getting matched with challenging opponents"!

Once again - the system was too lenient in the beginning and winning in ST was no waterproof justification for not being demoted.