P2 Avoiding Medic loss on Glitch and Peekaboo

[Ja Karta]

(02-23-2013 10:31 PM)vegaprom Wrote:  Thanks everyone, but what I worry is unit count on one spawn maps. If P1 rushes by spawning soldiers and move them and heavies to my base, I would get behind in unit if I spawn runners.

Utility of runners aside: You've been given two separate non-runner based strategies for each of the maps. Or is something not making sense? (Not a bad thing )

Non-Runner Openings:
Peekabo:
1) Don't move medic, but have units adjacent to the only spaces runner can attack from.
If you want to buff first turn you can trivially modify this opening so that an attack is wit neutral rather than wit positive for you.

2) Cover front of medic with deployed and spawned soldiers. (as mentioned by OutwittersFan & W1cked)

Glitch:
1) Don't move medic, but move heavy to wit space, covering both spaces runner can attack from.
Again, you can trivially modify this so that a medic kill is wit neutral, but you still buff first turn. (Move the soldier *first* in the latter case. That will allow you to see whether or not you can move the medic to your spawn safely. If not, you revert to the former case.)

2) Use Necrocat's set-up so you can revenge scramble runner for wit neutral unit advantage, but replace buffed runner in his opening with an unbuffed soldier. [Feedback only.]


If any of these aren't clear just say so.

(02-23-2013 08:55 PM)Necrocat219 Wrote:  @Ja Karta Nope your maths is right for not moving the medic, it makes it pointless to kill it. It derives you of a boost though as you say, so it isn't the most optimal move. Your opponent has a choice of killing it and if the choose not to (probably) you're slightly worse off.

Only in gifted, but whether your worse off depends on your valuation of the importance of spending a wit on a buff first turn (vs trading a soldier for a runner) and the impact of the opponent doing the same. I'm new enough that I won't make any strong claims regarding that valuation, but different high-ranked players seem to have differing opinions.

In any case, if one wants the buff first turn they can do the same thing essentially with the match making a medic kill wit and unit neutral.