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RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - Extreme Ghost - 04-18-2014 11:09 AM
I like the idea of heavies getting to move agin if thay kill something that is!
Example move 2 spaces kill an un-boosted soldier then move up to 2 spaces agin if you want and have the wits to do so (not attack agin) this wouldn't fix the cost of how wit ineffective it is to make the cross a map but it would cut the turns required to in half(if thay kill things along the way that is)
Making then still a pretty useless unit to send out on a rush/attack
But it could help highlight what there good at which is defending
You could attack a unit who's going for ur base then move back next to ur base to guard it
I would also like to recommend this idea which is a spin off of the above
Instead of getting to move agin every time the heavy gets a kill/dose dmg it gets healed by 2 (health can not surpass 5) this would force opponents to Finnish off the heavy in one strike over pecking away at it with vines or runners or a 4hp soldiers and would let heavys rush vs snipers to some degree as long as thay can get a kill it would also allow heavies to buff them selfs to 5 hp when thay get a kill making them a tad more wit effective if you can wait
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - [PETA] Doodat - 04-18-2014 11:32 AM
Here's an example of heavies in a turtling match.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICAgrS69gsM
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - Flarp55 - 04-18-2014 12:01 PM
(04-18-2014 11:32 AM)[PETA] Doodat Wrote: Here's an example of heavies in a turtling match.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICAgrS69gsM
I was coming to this thread to post exactly that replay. amoffett is an ST by the way.
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - HuskyPete - 04-18-2014 12:11 PM
(04-18-2014 10:38 AM)[PETA] Doodat Wrote:(04-18-2014 09:37 AM)boyxoneder Wrote: if you spawn a heavy odds are you are bad
This is the problem I have with this statement. I don't like saying that heavies aren't worth it in all situations. Turtling games have uses for heavies (this glitch game I'm playing with amoffett right now...
The point is, it's the same thing as saying veggienauts are bad because barely anyone plays them. Think about this. The veggienauts came in pretty late. Scallies, feedback, and adorables had been used since the beginning. Just because it's hard to find strategies to use them effectively does not mean that they're completely useless. Similarly, for heavies, just because the meta right now is soldiers and more soldiers doesn't mean that heavies are completely useless.
I agree with this. I will spawn a heavy on sweet tooth or glitch if I am in a standoff. That 5 hp unit can really ruin your opponents plan. Also if I am playing veggies I might spawn a couple heavies during the game.
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - [PETA] Doodat - 04-18-2014 12:48 PM
(04-18-2014 12:01 PM)Bbobb555 Wrote:(04-18-2014 11:32 AM)[PETA] Doodat Wrote: Here's an example of heavies in a turtling match.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICAgrS69gsM
I was coming to this thread to post exactly that replay. amoffett is an ST by the way.
And I'm not? >.>. But yeah, you can see this was a league match vs 30-40~th ranked players.
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - Flarp55 - 04-18-2014 01:19 PM
(04-18-2014 12:48 PM)[PETA] Doodat Wrote:(04-18-2014 12:01 PM)Bbobb555 Wrote:(04-18-2014 11:32 AM)[PETA] Doodat Wrote: Here's an example of heavies in a turtling match.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ahRzfm91dHdpdHRlcnNnYW1lLWhyZHIVCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgICAgrS69gsM
I was coming to this thread to post exactly that replay. amoffett is an ST by the way.
And I'm not? >.>. But yeah, you can see this was a league match vs 30-40~th ranked players.
My point was that amoffett was an ST and he spawned a heavy. As far as I can see you didn't spawn a heavy. So whatever your rank is is irrelevant to the discussion. No offense intended.
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - [PETA] Doodat - 04-18-2014 02:21 PM
Right. My point is, in a high level match, the difference in those few extra wits spent for 5 hp made the difference.
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - Alvendor - 04-18-2014 08:29 PM
Would be interesting to see how it would work out if heavy's movement got bumped to 3 tiles. Do you think it would be overpowered so no soldiers are used anymore?
In theory:
Only heavies would beat only soldiers.
Mix of heavies and soldiers would beat only heavies.
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - Extreme Ghost - 04-18-2014 10:44 PM
(04-18-2014 08:29 PM)Alvendor Wrote: Would be interesting to see how it would work out if heavy's movement got bumped to 3 tiles. Do you think it would be overpowered so no soldiers are used anymore?
In theory:
Only heavies would beat only soldiers.
Mix of heavies and soldiers would beat only heavies.
I don't think that's practical without tweaking snipers and other units as well
It's not just heavies vs soldiers
If heavies could move 3 there would be no need to spawn anything other than soldiers&heavies
An early rush of 5hp heavies & 4hp soldiers both able to get into range to attack any unit other than runners and both needing 2-3 units to take them out would just be too powerful IMO
RE: Heavies to 4 Damage - Chemoeum - 04-19-2014 12:37 AM
Heavies are technically defensive units, so I don't think any change would be required. They are heavy. They are strong and slow. Like anyone carrying a heavy object. And they are already good at defending bases, except when they are killed, which is pretty hard to do when they are boosted.