(03-28-2014 05:25 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 10:30 PM)SuperDonkey Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 09:01 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  There is no wit advantage... FTA only exists on Foundry and War Garden.

Now that we're getting more data in OSN, we might be able to make a better determination as to which boards have a nice first-player advantage. I suspect you'll find a lot on 4-wit-point boards since that's where the first player also has the wit advantage.

Don't know how you're analyzing the wit advantage, but since play is asynchronous, I think you have to look at the total wit you have had to spend up to that point compared to your opponent. So on 4-wit-point boards, the totals go: 5, 8, 12, 15, 19, etc. Thus as P1, you have the following surplus/deficit by turn: +5, -3, +4, -3, +4, -3, etc. That means on Turn 5, all things considered, I have 4 more wit to play with than my opponent, while on Turn 6 he has only 3 more wit than I do. This might be slight but I bet it shows up over the course of hundreds of games.

On 2-wit boards it's the opposite though, so it evens out.

(03-28-2014 09:26 AM)SuperDonkey Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 05:25 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 10:30 PM)SuperDonkey Wrote:  

(03-27-2014 09:01 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  There is no wit advantage... FTA only exists on Foundry and War Garden.

Now that we're getting more data in OSN, we might be able to make a better determination as to which boards have a nice first-player advantage. I suspect you'll find a lot on 4-wit-point boards since that's where the first player also has the wit advantage.

Don't know how you're analyzing the wit advantage, but since play is asynchronous, I think you have to look at the total wit you have had to spend up to that point compared to your opponent. So on 4-wit-point boards, the totals go: 5, 8, 12, 15, 19, etc. Thus as P1, you have the following surplus/deficit by turn: +5, -3, +4, -3, +4, -3, etc. That means on Turn 5, all things considered, I have 4 more wit to play with than my opponent, while on Turn 6 he has only 3 more wit than I do. This might be slight but I bet it shows up over the course of hundreds of games.

On 2-wit boards it's the opposite though, so it evens out.

This is not true at all! If it were the opposite, P2 would have a wit advantage on 2-wit-point boards, but actually it's even (apart from T1). It goes: 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20... So as P1, your surplus/deficit by turn is: +5, -3, +3, -3, +3, -3, etc. The +5 doesn't bother me because I don't think T1 matters that much insofar as wit advantage goes; however, P1 still has wit parity along with his first-move advantage. All in all, I think P2 still gets the shaft, just not nearly as bad.

(03-28-2014 06:01 AM)lawtai Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 05:25 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  On 3-wit boards it's the opposite though, so it evens out.

What 3-wit maps?

(03-28-2014 09:34 AM)SuperDonkey Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 06:01 AM)lawtai Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 05:25 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  On 3-wit boards it's the opposite though, so it evens out.

What 3-wit maps?

Hahaha--actually Bbobb555, I was going to suggest that maybe one way of inserting some new life into the game would be to coax the devs into making a 3-wit-point board. Each player has one easily accessible wit point, but there's an odd one smack in the middle of the board. It could make for an interesting game.

I notice that there are 11 boards, with each race having 3 except feedback. I'm sure this has deeply offended most--nay, ALL--serious Outwitters players across the world. It probably wouldn't take that long to grab the existing Feedback tiles and come up with an interesting 3-wit-point board. Right? Yeah!! So who's with me?........ <crickets>

(03-28-2014 09:44 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 09:34 AM)SuperDonkey Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 06:01 AM)lawtai Wrote:  

(03-28-2014 05:25 AM)Bbobb555 Wrote:  On 3-wit boards it's the opposite though, so it evens out.

What 3-wit maps?

Hahaha--actually Bbobb555, I was going to suggest that maybe one way of inserting some new life into the game would be to coax the devs into making a 3-wit-point board. Each player has one easily accessible wit point, but there's an odd one smack in the middle of the board. It could make for an interesting game.

I notice that there are 11 boards, with each race having 3 except feedback. I'm sure this has deeply offended most--nay, ALL--serious Outwitters players across the world. It probably wouldn't take that long to grab the existing Feedback tiles and come up with an interesting 3-wit-point board. Right? Yeah!! So who's with me?........ <crickets>

That is actually a really great idea. Though there would be considerable FTA.