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RE: Bramble v3 - laYahooz - 03-10-2013 01:37 PM
(03-10-2013 11:02 AM)Ja Karta Wrote:(03-10-2013 09:05 AM)Mr.Banger Wrote: I'm done with outwitters until the nerf. I'm not gonna play bramble in any of my 2v2s. Bramble+bombshell is OP AF.
Since at least Mobi+BS is much easier to deal with than Bramble BS
My last three league games against veggies (all the one's I've finished so far). Won all three. (Veggie player is master level.)
I think bramble is certainly OP. But so what? It's a GAME! Play it. Have fun with something new.
You're not a bad person if you lose. It's just a different challenge. And if you're really concerned about what your skill level looks like; think of this as karma for all the UP veggie match-ups in the past months.
I think feedback players have a *slight* advantage dealing with this change simple because we *always* have to play aggressively. If you sit and let bramble make parallel thorn networks it's going to be hard to uproot....
So don't.
Unit composition vs. bramble is different than against other teams as well.
http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YyrSIAww
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YyrSIAww
(Early boosted sniper and heavy action remove bramble)
http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Yt6GJAww
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Yt6GJAww
(Early heavy action to defend wit space and a little luck force bramble to retreat)
http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YvJKJAww
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YvJKJAww
(No bramble was ever even spawned in this game, but that's the point. Also note: if he'd played turn 5 more conservatively (finished heavy with a runner) he'd have devastated me that turn. But he was saving wits for a bramble I'll bet you and it turned out poorly for him.)
Definitely not bragging (wish I were playing well enough that I could. Just speaking with actions and not just words re: anti-veggie strategies. ; )
Great games! Thanks for sharing them!
Also I like how you mention that the point is bramble wasn't spawned. Feedback can be such an aggressive threat that we can actually prevent a bramble spawn/effective bramble spawn.
I'm 2-0 vs. veggies in league. Already posted one game
(Perhaps 3-0 if I beat fellow forum member vegaprom in a very close game)
RE: Bramble v3 - Mr.Banger - 03-10-2013 02:36 PM
(03-10-2013 11:02 AM)Ja Karta Wrote:2v2 lasts longer and generally have more moves tbqh(03-10-2013 09:05 AM)Mr.Banger Wrote: I'm done with outwitters until the nerf. I'm not gonna play bramble in any of my 2v2s. Bramble+bombshell is OP AF.
Since at least Mobi+BS is much easier to deal with than Bramble BS
My last three league games against veggies (all the one's I've finished so far). Won all three. (Veggie player is master level.)
I think bramble is certainly OP. But so what? It's a GAME! Play it. Have fun with something new.
You're not a bad person if you lose. It's just a different challenge. And if you're really concerned about what your skill level looks like; think of this as karma for all the UP veggie match-ups in the past months.
I think feedback players have a *slight* advantage dealing with this change simple because we *always* have to play aggressively. If you sit and let bramble make parallel thorn networks it's going to be hard to uproot....
So don't.
Unit composition vs. bramble is different than against other teams as well.
http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YyrSIAww
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YyrSIAww
(Early boosted sniper and heavy action remove bramble)
http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Yt6GJAww
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Yt6GJAww
(Early heavy action to defend wit space and a little luck force bramble to retreat)
http://osn.codepenguin.com/replays/view/ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YvJKJAww
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YvJKJAww
(No bramble was ever even spawned in this game, but that's the point. Also note: if he'd played turn 5 more conservatively (finished heavy with a runner) he'd have devastated me that turn. But he was saving wits for a bramble I'll bet you and it turned out poorly for him.)
Definitely not bragging (wish I were playing well enough that I could. Just speaking with actions and not just words re: anti-veggie strategies. ; )
And it's not "karma". I'm not to blame for people playing bramble against me when it was UP.
RE: Bramble v3 - garcia1000 - 03-10-2013 04:27 PM
(03-10-2013 02:33 AM)Gf!sh Wrote: Ok, let's ask garcia1000(0) then
Here is my highly sought after opinion on the new Bramble:
I think it is too strong now. I would like to try the current Bramble, but with 2HP.
RE: Bramble v3 - laYahooz - 03-11-2013 01:02 AM
^^
It now the truth.
RE: Bramble v3 - Gf!sh - 03-11-2013 02:10 AM
Let's try to emulate a situation where thorns have 2HP, and don't give out a wit for kill.
Whenever a thorn gets attacked by a soldier (drop to 1HP) the Veggie player has to unroot that thorn as late as possible on his turn (to avoid replay shenannigans).
Any voulenteers?
RE: Bramble v3 - Uvafan173 - 03-11-2013 02:20 AM
Here's a replay in which I beat a veggies top 200 player on reaper. Spawning heavies just got cool .
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YgpKMAww
RE: Bramble v3 - EkoFox - 03-11-2013 02:37 AM
(03-11-2013 02:10 AM)Gf!sh Wrote: Let's try to emulate a situation where thorns have 2HP, and don't give out a wit for kill.I could try that. Although it would be crazy trying to watch the replay. And I think it would be more realistic to remove it first thing, but that would make replays unwatchable.
Whenever a thorn gets attacked by a soldier (drop to 1HP) the Veggie player has to unroot that thorn as late as possible on his turn (to avoid replay shenannigans).
Any voulenteers?
RE: Bramble v3 - Ser Purple Wolf - 03-11-2013 04:23 AM
Bramble is NOT overpowered.
I was schooling my dad with the new bramble. Then I have him some tips; now he schools me.
This game is a bad example because I played bad, but we had an epic game on war garden were he beat me with Adorables.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y5uqNAww
Nevermind that is the war garden game. This is the one I played terrible.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Yl5GKAww
RE: Bramble v3 - Uvafan173 - 03-11-2013 04:26 AM
Here's another league win over a top veggie opponent.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20YxfKNAww
RE: Bramble v3 - laYahooz - 03-11-2013 04:41 AM
(03-11-2013 04:23 AM)SerPurpleWolf Wrote: Bramble is NOT overpowered.
I was schooling my dad with the new bramble. Then I have him some tips; now he schools me.
This game is a bad example because I played bad, but we had an epic game on war garden were he beat me with Adorables.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Y5uqNAww
Nevermind that is the war garden game. This is the one I played terrible.
outwitters://viewgame?id=ag5vdXR3aXR0ZXJzZ2FtZXIRCxIIR2FtZVJvb20Yl5GKAww
Oh wow you got owned on that veggie vs feedback match!
I'm still taking the stand that bramble isn't OP too. The only think OP about him is that retract thorn glitch
Had you tried veggies in 2v2 yet SPW?
Actually just watched the other map on war garden. Now I'm questioning how veggies can deal with a heavy rush.